April 18, 2006

IT STOPPED BEING ABOUT FUNDAMENTALS SEVERAL YEARS AGO:

OPEC believes oil prices are too high: delegate (Reuters, 4/18/06)

OPEC believes oil prices are too steep, after setting a fresh record high above $70 a barrel, and the rise is not justified by market fundamentals, a senior OPEC delegate said on Tuesday.

The delegate said there was no shortage of crude oil supply and that OPEC giant Saudi Arabia and other producers had pledged in the past to keep markets well supplied.

"OPEC believes strongly that prices are too high and nobody wants to see these prices," the delegate told Reuters. "(But) it has nothing to do with fundamentals."

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 18, 2006 8:10 AM
Comments

OJ,

This is but another example of what you, and now a lot of economists out there, term "The Savings Glut." It has become too apparent that there is too much money chasing financial instruments that aren't nearly as numerous as the money. Witness the price of Gold, lately for further evidence.

Oil, and Gold, are but mere financial instruments nowadays.

Posted by: Brad S at April 18, 2006 8:56 AM

And yet, with oil at $70/barrel, the GOP Congress can't get ANWR passed.

Posted by: AWW at April 18, 2006 10:14 AM

AWW,

At this point and time, it has nothing to do with ANWR. It's all about oil/gasoline futures being a tradeable financial instrument. Ethanol futures are headed down this same road.

Drilling in ANWR would actually hurt that financial instrument's value, and by a considerable amount.

Posted by: Brad S at April 18, 2006 10:36 AM

Brad - I understand your point but oil and gold are still physical commodities that are subject to supply and demand. An increase in supply or drop in demand will affect the price. The financial component of these commodities has pushed the price well above what supply and demand would indicate but at some point they will return to their equilibrium point.

Posted by: AWW at April 18, 2006 11:13 AM

AWW: No one cares about the price of oil. It's the price of gas that matters. And Americans are so rich and gas is still cheap enough that there's not an overwhelming demand to drill in ANWR.

Posted by: b at April 18, 2006 11:21 AM

Under the current political climate/congressional make-up, ANWR can't get drilled because there are not enough supporters in the GOP and it's not in the Democrats' interest in the run-up to the 2006 (or the '08) elections to either go counter to their environmentalists constituency and support Alaska drilling or to give Republicans a bill to show voters they are trying to do something to boost domestic oil and gas exploration.

As for OPEC, it's not in their interest to get prices above the point where alternative energy sources or research into more efficent use of current energy sources become cost-effective. They still haven't gotten there with the price in the mid-$2 range, but get it up around $3.50 a gallon where the pass-on costs of shipping goods at those prices starts to really hit other goods, and suddenly the high price of developing new technology to replace oil usage suddenly doesn't look like such a bad investment.

Posted by: John at April 18, 2006 12:47 PM

AWW,

It's "supply and demand" driven. Mainly by use of every piece of trivial/uselss information about gold and oil floating out there, some of it only tangetially having to do with "supply and demand" of the commodities in question.

There is a word for that, I believe. And something usually happens to people who engage in too much of what that word entails.

Posted by: Brad S at April 18, 2006 1:01 PM

John,

Ethanol is now a tradeable financial instrument on the Chicago Options Exchanges. Which means if there is significant buying into ethanol, R&D will flow accordingly. And there isn't squat OPEC can do about it.

Posted by: Brad S at April 18, 2006 1:05 PM

Brad -- What you're suggesting is that there is rampant inflation in petroleum prices; a rapid increase in prices because of an increase in the money supply.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 18, 2006 1:19 PM

David,

Yes. Only this time, the entire globe gets to play along. And only until India and China show themselves to be decent safe-havens for money, will this build-up for petroleum (and eventually, Ethanol) stop.

Posted by: Brad S at April 18, 2006 1:49 PM

But if the world decides that China/India are safe, they may stop giving the US cheap goods in exchange for colored pieces of paper.

Posted by: Gideon at April 18, 2006 4:17 PM

They aren't and can never be.

Posted by: oj at April 18, 2006 6:03 PM
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